Editor’s note: This interview has been edited for clarity and brevity.
What will jobs look like in 2050?
Will jobs still exist or will skills-based recruitment result in people working for a range of different employers?
Kate: As a psychologist, I trust that we will have gotten better at matching work to the person's skills and aspirations. I’ll paint a vision of the future, and then we can debate it.
I can imagine being woken up by my smart device telling me that I've been matched to a brand new, exciting job, not based on the skills that I have but on what jobs I want to be doing in the future. I also hope that it might be associated with “jobs for good”, contributing to ESG.
And when I get to the interview, they've scraped my digital footprint and have a view of what I like and how I'm going to work; I might find out that the job is actually already in my current firm. And maybe generative AI has transformed the work so much I can be paid the same to only work three days a week. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
How do we get to this future with a digital footprint where we passively receive and accept work from skill-based organizations via skills-based hiring?
Kate: My vision of the future has a real data-led approach to matching individuals to work, a real openness to putting non-traditional talent into roles based on skills they want to develop. And it also has a vision of returning some of these productivity gains that we're seeing to workers. Maybe that's more what I hope 2050 will feel like rather than what it will be!
The dynamic between the employer and the employee has changed rapidly since the pandemic. And in some ways, the genie’s out of the bottle now. And so there will be people who want to contribute to multiple jobs and have side gigs and maybe have more time for leisure or gearing up for retirement.
There are some leading companies doing that. Probably the poster child for this is the UX program at Unilever, where people have a minimum fixed wage, but also benefits and protection, whilst they can actually work for competitors.
Marissa: I feel in some ways, we already do. The average tenure of work has changed and now there’s no career for life. And when I think about my children when they’re online, they’re already maintaining multiple conversations with people, switching between games, switching between mindsets, and doing work in multiple places as a matter of course, so I can't imagine that they won't take some of that into life.
This idea that you exist for your employers has gone already. You aren't who you work for anymore. And by the time my 8-year-old gets into the workplace, the idea that you stick with one employer is going to seem so far away.